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sylviax
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:10:21 AM Quote
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This is a summary of the events over the past week which included a trip to A&E for a persistant nose bleed; stopping the MTX; extra blood tests which showed low potassium and haemoglobin; loads of phone calls and finally restarting the MTX, all against a backdrop of high blood pressure. The purpose is mainly for me to have a record of what happened and when - but I'm happy to share the experience.

I have high blood pressure which has been controlled with Bendroflumethazide (a diuretic) for several years, but recently it's been creeping up again and my GP restarted me on Lisinopril (ACE inhibitor)
2 weeks ago.

I'm recently diagnosed with RA after suffering a gradual buildup of symptoms over 3 years.

After RA diagnosis I immediately started a course of Prednisolone and the response was simply miraculous. I've now finished the course and symptoms are creeping back. Meanwhile my consultant started me on Methotrexate.

I had taken the first 2 doses - 10mg orally - and had no side effects, and was due to increase this last Monday to 15mg.

However, on the Saturday, I had a nose bleed which lasted about 4 hours before finally stopping. Then on the Sunday, I had another nose bleed which kept on going for 8 hours, and eventually I went to A&E. I'd been cautioned that nose bleeds were a possibility with MTX, but not about what to do if it happened, so I was pretty worried!

On the Monday morning I had a blood test as planned for the MTX, and rang the nurse to ask if I should stop the MTX as a result of the nosebleed. She advised waiting until the results came in (ie Tuesday)

On Tuesday, the results showed potassium (K) dropped to 3.0 and haemoglobin (Hb) down to 10.9, and she told me to wait until Consultant gave opinon re the MTX.

On Wednesday, the nurse instructed me to get a repeat test asap and to hold off the MTX pending new results
Also on Wednesday, I received message from a GP (not my usual one) saying to stop the Bendroflumethazide - rather disturbing but I questionned this and got my own GP to ring me to discuss - in fact he agreed that I should suspend the Bendro pending new results because it could be the cause of the low potassium - very confusing but at least it was clearly explained

On Thursday, I had the blood test - more calls from GP and nurse - a lot of talk but no clarity

On Friday, I rang for the results and my potassium was back up to 4.1 (just OK) but haemoglobin down further to 10.0 (acceptable range 12-15) - all else was OK. Still no confirmation about what to do re MTX, but GP agreed to restart bendro. I rang rheumy nurse and finally got agreement to restart MTX, but I am to have weekly blood tests for a month then fortnightly for upto 3 months and eventually mnthly

On Monday (yesterday) I restarted MTX and no side effects this morning so far.

Lessons learned:-

1. The nurse-led helpline at the hospital is very good, although I have to be persistent and very explicit with questions.
2. The doctor is often not there when the helpline is available, so it often takes 2 or 3 calls to get any actual decisions - so I must be patient and persistent
3. The GP is always a few days behind, because results take at least 2 days to get there and letters can take weeks - so I must keep detailed notes and point out key items of information so he doesn't overlook anything significant (2 weeks ago, the key letter from the consultant about my diagnosis never reached the GP until I kept pursuing it and eventually it had to be faxed through!)
4. I need to be well-informed and organise lots of relevant questions before I speak to anybody, and write down the answers as soon as I get off the phone
5. I need to keep a log of blood test results and talk actual numbers with them - it's too vague and confusing when they talk about "acceptable" or "high"
6. I need to take my own BP daily and keep a log which I can show the GP - that way he takes me seriously
7. I need to keep a detailed diary of all meetings, tests and key phone calls - they log everything by date and it can get very confusing when I have multiple blood tests in a short timeframe
8. I have to accept that this is very time-consuming and stressful, but I feel better when I understand what's happening and have some control over proceedings. I hate feeling that others are dictating to me, and I especially hate being in a position where I appear dithering and confused.
9. Positivity and persistance are my new keywords.

Thanks for reading this - keep well and happy - Sylvia xx



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LynW
#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 3:44:06 PM Quote
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Hi Sylvia

Interesting blog, thank you for posting your thoughts and experiences. Sorry to read of your recent problems though and hope in time things will settle and you will benefit from the MTX. It has long been the gold standard in drug treatment and for many has really slowed down the progression of symptoms of Rheumatoid.

When starting out on MTX treatment you should have been given a shared care monitoring book. Each time blood tests are done the results are entered into the book to provide an ongoing record for you and those involved in your care. The idea is that you take the book with you to all appointments so everyone has the most up to date results. Initially blood tests are performed weekly for 4 weeks, then fortnightly for a further month and then if stable reduced to monthly. There are certain guidelines and protocols to be followed because of the nature of the drug. Over time you will become very familiar with your own test results and get to know what's right for you. We are all different in our responses to drugs and likewise our tolerances can be quite different. For example my haemaglobin is always under 10.5, but that's okay for me and no-one worries until it consistently remains below 9.0.

Everything you say is common sense and a good way to make sure you receive all the information you need. It's hard at first to know exactly what you do need to know but with familiarity this does become easier and more obvious. Once symptoms are setted Rheumatoid will take a backseat, as it should. Hopefully once under control you should be able to take the meds, get the monthly bloods done and forget all about it for another month! It's important it doesn't take control of your life.

Hope the Methotrexate kicks in quickly but bear in mind it can take 3/4 months to get full benefit ... patience is key!ThumpUp

Lyn x
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Naomi1
#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:05:51 PM Quote
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Thanks for the interesting blog Sylvia. I kept meaning to enter the figures of my blood tests in the little book, but haven't got round to it so far. After reading what you wrote, and Lyn's reply, I'm going to start doing this so I can feel more responsible for my illness. Please keep us posted Sylvia on how you're getting on. Thank goodness for the nurses line at Torbay hospital. We're really lucky to have it as some other people don't have this facility. I feel so reassured to know that a call to the nurse is easily achieved. Best wishes from Naomi.
suzanne_p
#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:04:29 PM Quote
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hi Sylvia,

i'm on both your Blood Pressure tablets plus one another and have been for many years.

when i started Methotrexate i was given a book that logs my monthly bloods, i normally get it filled in the next month when i go again to my GP Surgery to give my blood. i can phone the Surgery the next day or pop in and the bloods come back quickly. of course they would phone me if any concerns.

i treasure my Rheumy Nurse, there are two one i'm assigned too but can speak to either. if they're not there i generally get a call back within 48 hours. as time has gone on from reading the Forum i know lots aren't that lucky having a direct line to Rheumy Nurse.

it is good to take charge of things and definately get clarification early if you are not satisfied or anxious about anything, i use my GP as a back up he has good knowledge of RA.

i hope things settle down for you quickly,

RA is definately a learning curve,

Suzanne x

sylviax
#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 9:04:45 AM Quote
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Thanks for the excellent replies

Lyn - I've got the little booklet, and I'm starting to fill it in - very useful, thanks

Naomi - I agree that TAIRU is very good. Having read a few other posts I realise that this isn't universal yet and that's what the NRAS is campaigning about. I watched Ailsa's interview from a few months ago - very informative. Link here Guidelines in RA / Cardiovascular Risk

Suzanne - many thanks for reassuring comments - nice to know there's consistency in the treatments
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Rose-B
#6 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2012 10:22:32 PM Quote
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welcome Sylvia

I have not been on for a while so welcome from me. This is a brilliant site isn't.

Sorry to hear that you have had a worrying week . Like Lynn and Suzanne when I was taking MTX
I too did write the booklet up every time I had a blood test. You seem to have had good 'sense'
in not letting this ruddy RA get the better of you - well done. I know though how tough that is.

I hope the mtx is kind to you and that is will do you good. ThumpUp

Rose
sylviax
#7 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:04:15 AM Quote
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THanks Rose - you are totally right about this being a brilliant site - but it's only brilliant because of the lovely, caring people who take the time to reach out and share their experience - thank you so much, t really does help me to know that I'm not alone

Sylvia xx
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Naomi1
#8 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 9:55:03 PM Quote
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How is everything going Sylvia? Do you think the Mtx and hydroxy combination might be doing the trick for you. I'm quite interested in that because I'm on exactly the same combo. Naomi, X
sylviax
#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:03:06 AM Quote
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Hi Naomi - thanks for asking. I'm feeling pretty good atm. I think the MTX/hydroxy combo is starting to work - I feel less achey, but still get very tired when I do too much. I usually have a nap in the afternoon, but here I am at nearly midnight and feeling wide awake, so it's not all bad. I've had a really hectic 4 days with a big show jumping competition with my girls and then a day in London at the olympics, so I felt pretty cream crackered this morning - I woke up with really bad stiffness in my hands (no doubt from using my poles solidly for lots of walking), but it cleared quite rapidly and that's definitely better than before.

I've adapted to doing less physical stuff these days - and definitely no heavy work! Plus I focus on what I like doing and try to be philosophical about my limits - after all, we all inevitably slow down as we age!

I am still relieved that I know what I'm dealing with - it was much worse when I didn't have a diagnosis and I felt that everyone thought I was making it up! At least now I know how to direct my efforts at keeping on top of the RA rather than letting it control me.

Hope you're feeling better these days - Sylvia xx
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Naomi1
#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:28:16 PM Quote
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Sylvia, I'm so pleased to hear that things might be on the up for you. I just wanted to empathise with you on two things. Firstly the fatigue and needing afternoon naps. I take a nap on the four days that I don't work and it can be anything up to 3 hours. On my 3 work days I'll have a short nap on arriving home. If I try to cut down then not only does the fatigue feel worse but also the pain increases. I'm sure my body is telling me exactly what it needs. It's frustrating as it takes up time to nap and there is nothing tangible to show for it.....but I think it's so helpful. The second thing is the relief at having a diagnosis and not worrying that people think it's in your head. I'm so with you on that one! I think you are doing amazingly well as you've not been diagnosed very long. You come across as really calm and philosophical. Well done you! I'm trying to be more like that. Best wishes from Naomi.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:29:34 PM Quote
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Thanks for the kind words Naomi - I'm not feeling very calm atm - I'm watchng the cycling! Wow those thighs...........
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